Ben Mitts wrote:
> I recently post a message to Randy on the
> subject of 1 Cor on what is says about hus-
> bands and wives in regards to sex between
> each other in their marriages!
> I will start with the below paragraph to help
> you understand where I am coming from:
> "I am going to try an experiment to see if I can help
> this subject get back on track so it can be brought
> to a sane and sensible conclusion so we can all
> once again get back to business as usual. I'm go-
> ing to print a message which will give all concerned
> a chance see what it is they are arguing about and
> try to make moves to bring everybody back on to
> the same page!"
> From the KJV,
> I Cor 7:1-9
> 1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is
> good for a man not to touch a woman.
> 2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his
> own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.
> 3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and
> likewise also the wife unto the husband.
> 4 The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband:
> and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body
> but the wife.
> 5 Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a
> time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and
> come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incon-
> tinency.
> 6 But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment.
> 7 For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man
> hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another
> after that.
> 8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for
> them if they abide even as I.
> 9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to
> marry than to burn.
> The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.
> Now once again the same Scripture but from The Nasb.
> If you dont like this translation use another and replace
> these verses with your own translation!
> 1 Cor 7:1-9
> 1 Now concerning the things about which you wrote, it is good
> for a man not to touch a woman.
> 2 But because of immoralities, each man is to have his own wife
> and each woman is to have her own husband.
> 3 The husband must fulfill his duty to his wife, and likewise also
> the wife to her husband.
> 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the
> husband does; and likewise also the husband does not have
> authority over his own body, but the wife does.
> 5 Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time,
> so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come to-
> gether again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your
> lack of self-control.
> 6 But this I say by way of concession, not of command.
> 7 Yet I wish that all men were even as I myself am However,
> each man has his own gift from God, one in this manner, and
> another in that.
> 8 But I say to the unmarried and to widows that it is good for
> them if they remain even as I.
> 9 But if they do not have self-control, (I)let them marry; for it
> is better to marry than to burn with passion.
> My challenge if you choose to partake in in it
> is for all who will to study these verses and see
> if you understand what they are saying, and also
> see if you can pick out where and why the subject
> grew into a flame war!
> Now I realize there have been al lot of insults, charges
> and whatever bandied about, but it seems to me that
> if enough take the time to study these verses this war
> will end and die out to just a memory- an ugly memory
> at that.
> My comment on these Verses is that both translations
> say the same thing.
Correct for these two and all other GOD-breathed translations. All
such translations show Paul asking (and not commanding) married
brethren couples to help each other from falling from GOD's grace into
sexual immorality. Paul advises that couples achieve this by relying on
GOD's authority concerning their marriage. GOD's authority is manifest
by both the authority given to the husband over his wife's body and the
authority given to the wife over her husband's body (1 Corinthians
7:4). This is reminiscent of the authority given the Son of Man over
HIS assembly.
The satan-view of authority over something is that one has power over
that something. Satan fell from heaven in a failed attempt to wrestle
power from GOD taking a third of the angels with him.
The Christ-view of authority over something is that one has the
responsibility of a servant for that something. Our LORD is the
servant-KING, Who came into the world to serve as the Redeemer for our
deadly sins.
Christ Jesus is all about loving and serving.
Satan is all about hating and dominating.
The truth, Who is the living Word of GOD, is a double-edged sword that
separates the wheat (brethren) from the chaff (non-brethren). The
division we have witnessed here on this issue of GOD's authority in
marriage is the work of the truth. Laus Deo !
> There is no difference at all in
> their meaning and intents!
Correct.
> Also this old Preacher be-
> lieves both Believer and non-believer alike can under
> stand their meaning!
So far we have seen two distinctly different views of these verses as
applied to the following simple question:
"Is spousal rape sin?"
Those who have the view that authority is power have written that
Scripture answers this question with "No."
Those who have the understanding that authority is loving
responsibility have written that Scripture answers this question with
"Yes."
And so the truth divides those of this doomed world, who walk in hate,
from those who have been reborn of living water and the Holy Spirit,
who walk in love.
> Why not try you hand at seeing whether you can pick
> out from these verses where the war started and the
> flamed out of control?
1 Corinthians 7:4
"The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband
does; and likewise also the husband does not have authority over his
own body, but the wife does."
> I's easy to do!
It all started with man's original sin of coveting GOD's power, which
is HIS authority from the perspective of the fallen and unredeemed.
"...you will be like GOD..." -- satan tempting Eve to eat the forbidden
fruit
HIS brethren know that GOD's power resides in HIS love and not in HIS
authority (ie knowledge of good and evil).
May GOD continue to heal our hearts with HIS living water, dear brother
Ben whom I love unconditionally.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit
As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the
unconditional love they have for everyone including their enemies
(Matthew 5:44-45, 1 Corinthians 13:3, James 2:14-17).
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