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From:		Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - view profile
Date:		Mon, Aug 7 2006 1:06 am
Email:		"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nosp...@heartmdphd.com>
Groups:		sci.med.cardiology, alt.christnet.evangelical, alt.christnet.christianlife

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www.pulpitfire.org wrote:
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:

> > > We trust in Chirst by the faith that comes from hearing the
> > > word of God proclaimed.

> > Actually, the choice to place our faith in LORD Jesus Christ arises
> > from the free will that GOD has generously each of us.

> No it does not.

Our love for GOD is proof of the free will that GOD has generously
given each of us.

Do you not love GOD ?

> There's not one verse in the Bible that says that, and
> there are several passages that teach the exact opposite:

> 1) Rom. 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will
> have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

Yes, GOD too has free will.

HIS love for us is proof of HIS free will (John 3:16).

We are made in HIS image after all.

> Rom. 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that
> runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

Yes, if it were not for HIS choice to be merciful, we would not have
HIS salvation solely of our own free will.

> This passage directly says that salvation is not of man who willeth,
> but of God who shows mercy.

Yes, GOD's will is infinite. It is HIS will and not ours that will be
done.

> God is determined to demonstrate that He
> is absolutely sovereign in the salvation of sinners.

HE is.

> Read Romans 9
> again.

No need. All of GOD's Word is emblazoned on my circumcised heart.

Romans 9 actually supports the fact that GOD has given each of us free
will.

> 2) John 3:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to

> become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
> John 3:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the
> flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

> a) The people who receive Christ were "born".

Correct.

> Did you decide that you were going to be born physically?

No.

However, I did choose to place my faith in LORD Jesus Christ, thereby
choosing to be reborn of water and Holy Spirit... "not of blood, nor of
the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of GOD" ... for the
Holy Spirit is GOD.

> Did your parents ask for your
> consent, and were you only born after agreeing to it? No.

Correct.

> You made no
> decision whatever to be born physically, and neither did any
> unregenerate decision you made bring about your salvation.

Correct.

> b) The people who believe on Christ are not born "of the will of the
> flesh", "nor of the will of man". How plain can the Bible state the
> fact that people are not born spiritually "of the will of man"?

Correct. We are reborn of water and the Holy Spirit and not of the
will of man. Indeed, this rebirth was not forced upon us by the will
of man (person who is of this world). We chose this when we chose to
place our faith in LORD Jesus Christ. At that very instant when the
decision is made, we are no longer of this world but of GOD so that our
wills become also of GOD and not of man.

> Now,
> show a similar statement that supposedly demonstrates that salvation is
> a decision that the unregenerate make, and which results in their
> salvation.

What you have cited is sufficient for the discerning to understand what
the Holy Spirit has guided me to write above.

> c) The people who believe on Christ are born of the will "of God".

Correct.

> This passage directly states people are NOT born of the will of man,
> but that they are born of the will of God, and no one makes a decision
> to be born. The idea you make a decision for God, based on your "free
> will", is taught nowhere in the Bible.

Correct.

> 3) The unregenerate mind is not even capable of making a favorable
> decision for God.

> a) Ro 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not
> subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

> b) Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and
> sins;

> The unsaved are against God, and cannot subject themself to the will of
> God. They are spiritually dead, mentally darkened, and morally
> depraved (Eph. 2 - 5). It is utterly impossible for an unregenerate
> person to make a decision for their own salvation. They trust in and
> receive Christ only when God imparts saving faith through the preaching
> of the gospel (Rom. 10:17), and works in them both to will and do of
> His pleasure (Php. 2:13).

See above.

> > May GOD continue to heal your heart, dear brother Randy.

> You apparently can't even say one prayer or fast for one day without
> informing the whole world about it.

It remains your choice to judge me.

It remains my choice to continue praying for you.

> You decieve yourself in constantly asserting that everything you say
> and do comes by the guidance of the Holy Spirit, when about 75% of it
> contradicts the plain teaching of the Bible.

Not for the discerning.

> Meanwhile, when people do
> base their theology soundly on the word of God, you pretend they are
> the ones who lack the Spirit's guiding, and need your prayer.

Your being offended by my praying for you does not bode well for where
you are in your walk with Christ Jesus.

> Woe to Him who calls evil good and good evil. You are the one in need
> of prayer

Would welcome any and all prayers on my behalf.

> , and the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Will continue to welcome HIS guidance.

> You think you just
> have to go around claiming that you are guided by the Holy Spirit, and
> that makes it so, and proves that everyone else is not?

The proof is in the fruit we bear which resides in our hearts for GOD
to see.

> You are either
> self deceived with category 10 arrogance, or a brazen liar.

Name-calling shows that you have strayed from Christ Jesus' side.

May GOD continue to heal your heart, dear brother Randy.

Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,

Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://HeartMDPhD.com/HolySpirit

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