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Chuck Stamford wrote: The same soul/spirit as described in the Holy Bible: > "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nosp...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message > news:1156319025.986679.159640@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > Chuck Stamford wrote: > >> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nosp...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message > >> news:1156311142.162277.95880@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > >> > Chuck Stamford wrote: > >> >> <calvi...@sysko.com> wrote in message > >> >> news:44e9c7e4$0$24656$1c4686b2@selenium.club.cc.cmu.edu... > >> >> > When it was mentioned that three false doctrines were being taught > >> >> > we > >> >> > got the response: > >> >> > "Your bearing false witness against me is forgiven as far as I am > >> >> > If he now wants to turn away from the false doctrines then it can be > >> >> > The love and blessing and protection and peace of God upon you. If > >> >> Are you sure you're not just trying to stir up trouble by making a > >> > There are those who wish to believe they will know GOD through orthodox > >> >> And just out of curiosity, what *do* the "communion of christians > >> > Orthodox doctrine which is man-made and not GOD-breathed has no > >> > Since the Holy Spirit has given me the understanding that the fig tree > >> > Amen ! > >> On all but the part about the tree sinning. You know, it doesn't > > Correct. Sin arises from choice made through the free will generously > >> It's entirely > > Correct. > >> And it's entirely possible > > It is through the original sin of Adam and Eve that a sinful nature was > So what does "soul" mean as you're using it here, Andrew? "But if from there you seek the LORD your God, you will find HIM if you "Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and "The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love HIM with "The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your "...to preserve his soul from the pit, his life from perishing by the "HE redeemed my soul from going down to the pit, and I will live to "The LORD examines the righteous, but the wicked and those who love "To you, O LORD, I lift up my soul" (Psalm 25:1) "As the deer pants for streams of water, so my soul pants for you, O "My soul thirsts for GOD, for the living GOD. When can I go and meet "O GOD, you are my GOD, earnestly I seek YOU; my soul thirsts for YOU, "I spread out my hands to YOU; my soul thirsts for YOU like a parched "The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life, and he who wins souls is "For every living soul belongs to ME, the father as well as the "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. "What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet "For you were like sheep going astray, but now you have returned to the "When HE opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of "I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority > I take it to mean See above. > the sum of our cognitive faculties; our faculties of perception, reasoning, > memory, sympathy, testimony, and something Calvin called the "sensus > divinitus"; that faculty in us the Holy Spirit of God uses to communicate > with us. (And I don't mean by "faculty" something material in this > instance. I mean, taking "perception" as the example here, the perceptual > "beliefs" we form, or perhaps even more explicitly, have delivered to us by > this perceptual faculty, on having our visual apparatus stimulated) Clearly the soul is much more. > So as I understand soul, at a minimum, it takes a "person" to have one; The understanding given to me by the Holy Spirit is that GOD has placed > understanding that at a minimum a "person" is a being possessed of "mind", > "will", and "emotion". So, by extenstion, I believe that only "persons" are > capable of making cognitive choices, and to "sin" takes, at a bear minimum, > making a cognitive choice. souls in everything HE commands. > > Prior to the original sin, only the serpent satan in the garden of Eden The other fallen beings were not in the garden of Eden. > > had a sinful nature (Genesis 3:1 and Revelation 12:9). > I don't think he was the "only" one. Scripture tells us of a "war" that > > The tree of knowledge of good and evil standing in the middle of the Correct. This understanding was "sealed" so that people would not > > garden was a fig tree and was the source of the leaves that Adam and > > Eve used to make coverings for themselves (Genesis 3:7). > Andrew, the text doesn't tell us that the tree of the knowledge of good and automatically believe that either the fig tree or its figs were to be avoided. >, nor does it tell us that the fig leaves Adam and Eve Correct. This is part of the "seal." > sewed together to cover their "nakedness" after their sin came from that > tree. > What you're doing here is working off an inference from the text, not In truth, this is an understanding from the Holy Spirit. > the text itself. > > It was not by chance that a fig tree sinned against GOD here. > How is it possible, even if the tree of the knowledge of good and evil were > What did it *do*, Andrew, except be what God created it to be? GOD did not want Adam and Eve to fall from HIS grace by disobeying and sinning against HIM. The fig tree willfully played along with satan's deception of Eve. It could have chosen not to bear fruit for Eve just as its descendant > It didn't engage in some act contrary to its Divine See above. > design. It was just there, standing in the middle of the Garden exactly > where God placed it when He created it, being what God intended it to be: an > alternative for Adam and Eve that gave to them the potential to exercise > *their* free will and make a choice either to obey God or disobey. > I would suggest to you that it was God's *command* to Adam not to eat of it Correct. > that made eating of it sinful; > not that the tree, in and of itself, was The tree was a willing participant in deceiving Eve. > sinful, or had committed any sin against its Creator. > The tree came The tree willfully did nothing to keep Eve from being deceived by > straight from God who is perfectly holy, and did nothing but what God > intended in creating it. satan. Such is the sin of omission. > If our premise is that it is sinful, then we have See above. The sinful nature of the forbidden tree would not be fully > to find some way of avoiding that it's sinfulness was created *in it* by > God, and to do that we would need to identify some act of the tree contrary > to the will of it's Creator in the text...and there just isn't any that I > can find. revealed until LORD Jesus Christ cursed its descendant fig tree as described in Mark 11. > I would also suggest to you that there is nothing inherently sinful about The knowledge of good and evil without omniscience is incomplete and > the knowledge of good and evil. harmful as was demonstrated in Adam and Eve.. > There can't be, because God is omniscient, Omniscience, which is complete knowledge, is holy, which is by > which means God surely must have this knowledge, and God certainly isn't > sinning against Himself by having it. definition without sin. > > Indeed, there is no such thing as chance (Proverbs 16:33). > You get a big "Amen" to that! I'd only qualify it by adding that I don't respective free wills and the latter is controlled by GOD's infinite free will. It is the latter that is being described in Proverbs 16:33. > People who ...even when GOD does not permit the sinful thought to become action. > commit sin may be said to be suffering under an "illusion" when they do, but > the sin itself is absolutely real. > >> So just as Adam's These verses tell us of HIS love for us. They tell us how HE has shown > >> sin rebounds to us because we all come "out of" Adam, so to it rebounds > >> to > >> all creation because all creation was under Adam's dominion when he > >> sinned. > > See above. > They say that if you get Genesis right, the rest of biblical theology comes > Then God blessed them [Adam and Eve], and God said to them, "Be fruitful and > I take it that what is being said here is very important, for in a chapter HIS love for us with the showering of gifts upon HIS beloved though we have sinned against HIM. Our GOD loves us so very much (John 3:16). > >> In any case, if Genesis teaches us nothing else about "sin", it teaches Would have your remember that it is written that Christ Jesus has > >> us > >> that sinning (just as "loving") requires making a morally significant and > >> uncoerced choice. > > GOD's choice to give HIS generous gift of free will while retaining HIS > Yes it certainly does. But it also means there are truths here that are informed us that the stones would cry out to praise HIM if we were to fall silent. These are related to the stones in the desert that could have been The mountains can be commanded by HIM to jump into the sea. The storm clouds were commanded by HIM to disperse and they obeyed ! The fish was commanded to swallow a gold coin and be caught by HIS May GOD continue to heal our hearts, dear brother Chuck whom I love Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love, Andrew <>< As for knowing who are the very elect, these you will know by the http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/d3b7b57d0fbf89ed? | ||||||||||||||||||
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